The Break-Up Diet

Short Kings & Situationships: Why the Bare Minimum Hurts So Much with Hope Flynn

• Yasmin Misner and Ilma Shahrene • Season 1 • Episode 35

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Hope Flynn, relationship expert and founder of the So What Community, joins us for a raw, unfiltered conversation about navigating the aftermath of relationships. Her remarkable insight comes not just from professional expertise, but from personal experience—including an on-again, off-again relationship that took eight years to fully end.

We dive deep into the psychology of attachment, exploring why those brief "situationships" sometimes leave deeper scars than long-term partnerships. As Hope explains, it's those unresolved "what ifs" that keep us tethered to short-lived connections, while longer relationships often provide clearer closure because "you've tried everything."

The conversation takes surprising turns as we discuss the modern complications of healing in the social media age. Hope advocates for setting boundaries—sometimes including the block button—as an act of self-preservation rather than pettiness. "I don't really block people," she shares, "but every now and again some people have to get blocked, not because of them, but for yourself."

Perhaps most comforting is Hope's perspective on grief following breakups. She normalizes the waves of emotion that come with losing a relationship, reminding us that mourning someone who's still alive creates a unique kind of pain. Her advice to those currently nursing heartbreak emphasizes self-compassion: don't rush the process or compare your healing timeline to others.

Whether you're currently nursing a broken heart or trying to understand patterns in your past relationships, this conversation offers both comfort and clarity. Listen now to gain practical insights on moving forward while honoring the love that once was.

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ilmz:

Welcome back to another episode of the Breakup Diet. We've got an amazing guest on the show. We've got a relationship expert and the founder of so what Community, hope Flynn. Welcome to the Breakup Diet. Thank you, I'm really excited to be here. We're so excited to have you here. I did like a bit of a deep dive on you on Google, and you were celibate for a while.

Yaz:

Yeah.

Hope:

Why was?

Yaz:

that Not now. Okay, that's good, but was that because of a breakup or just?

Hope:

I'd say a few little situationships, but really it was for me, it wasn't because of a guy or anything or anyone in particular, but I just needed a minute.

ilmz:

what have you learned from celibacy, because I'm going through that journey at the moment. I really love it and I don't know how I could go back to being intimate. So what was it like for you from being in that journey? I think?

Hope:

being celibate for me showed me the kind of importance of sex like and how important it is and how sacred it is.

Yaz:

I actually saw something about that recently with um it was actually on two or three, so not that reason, but like a little bit ago and it says it stays, the person stays in your womb 50 years later yeah, yeah, a man's dna inside you yeah, some people, they, they never leave your head buckle up, bitches, it's gonna get bumpy.

ilmz:

This is the breakup diet baby living up the rant free for real.

Hope:

Yeah, the, yeah, the celibacy journey. You know I'm not like telling everyone they should do it or anything like that, but I just think it's important to have periods of time to yourself without sexually engaging with someone. Be free sleep with who you want, but if you're in the right headspace, I would just say my celibacy was more about me and where I was at at that time yeah, I so get that.

Yaz:

Have you ever had a rebound? Probably?

Hope:

no, not intentionally like. I've never just been like, oh, I'm gonna sleep with this person because I need to get over someone else.

Hope:

I've never done that would you say it's a conscious decision for you to kind of take a step back after a breakup definitely because, oh, I remember once, yeah, I had a breakup and then I went out on a date with someone else and I actually cried on the date over the other guy and the guy was like, oh, why are you upset? And I was, I made up the like it's the most obvious lie. I was like my cousin's dog just died and he was like a really big part of our family.

Hope:

But, like again. That's showing I went on a date too soon. Yeah that I was sitting there thinking I just want to be with the guy that I broke up with.

Yaz:

Have you had a lot of?

Hope:

breakups. I've had a few breakups and a few let's just call them little plot twists, not breakups um, but you know, I've dated quite a few people and I've had quite a few serious relationships, so yeah, would you say, breakups get easier the more you have them, because I've only had two breakups and both of them has, like, rearranged my nervous system.

Hope:

I would say every relationship is different, so every breakup is different, and how you feel towards someone and how your relationship went and the reasons why you've decided to break up. They're never going to be the same. I haven't had that many more than two but I've definitely had those situationships where you know there's been a breakdown. They don't get easier, it's just different every time oh you know, there are some like.

Hope:

I remember, not even so long ago, my friend was like, oh, how are you feeling after everything? And I was like after what? And she's like, well, you stopped seeing that guy. And I was like oh, oh yeah, he's already got. Yeah, like well, you stopped seeing that guy. And I was like oh, oh, yeah.

Yaz:

He's already got it.

Hope:

Yeah, like some of them you don't remember, but then some you just don't get off your mind. Like we were saying, they just live rent free in your head. Yeah, what?

Yaz:

is that Like? Also, it's really the people that you least expect. I feel that stay in your head for so long.

Hope:

Like why the good guy that was actually like maybe a catch. He just goes like you're sad, but then it goes, but like the one that's like not a catch. You'll be thinking about him for the next six months. We like the bad guys and for me personally it's so short sort of relationships that I'm going to say short kings and I'm like, oh, I've been there with the short kings they leave a mark.

ilmz:

The shorter they are, the bigger the mark.

Yaz:

Short but mighty.

Hope:

A small imprint, let's just call it that. But those short relationships sometimes I find more difficult to move on from, because you're left with so many like, oh, this could have happened or that could have happened. But when you're in a long-term relationship and that breaks down, you've kind of tried everything.

Yaz:

That's actually such a good way of thinking about it. I never thought about that. That makes so much sense.

Hope:

It's the what ifs, because we live in that sort of fantasy land of like, oh, we could have done this or we could have been this, but like, and then you never know.

ilmz:

And then that's what makes us crazy and I think that's when you have to really ground yourself with reality, because unfortunately, the reality is it didn't work out. What's the point in letting this fantasy brew in your head?

Yaz:

you really got to take a step back and reflect and be like, okay, this hasn't worked out, let me just take a breather personally, I always think like what, if or that could have been, or so that I'd find it so hard to be like no, yasmin focus you're.

ilmz:

All you gotta do is actually just think about the reality, and it makes you let go of the fantasy, because yeah, but fantasy is always better than reality.

Hope:

Reality never lives up to fantasy, but it is very, it's very hard do you have any tips on how to let go of the fantasy?

Hope:

I'll be honest. So social media is really difficult because back in the day, when I first started dating, we didn't have all this stuff, so you wouldn't see that person continually. You know, maybe occasionally if you bumped into them on the street or you're mixing in the same circles. But now that you have social media and everyone seems to have an online presence sorry, you're constantly reminded and it's it's really hard. So I don't really block people, but every now and again some people have to get blocked, and not because of them, but for yourself I think blocking is good.

ilmz:

I think so too. You don't need to know everything about them, I don't care, unmute that, yeah, yeah, out of sight, release me because it's like, honestly, there's nothing worse than an embarrassing ex and people bring up what they're up to and it's like more embarrassing, like the saviors of a breakup.

Hope:

and how I got over someone was he made his Instagram private and that was like a godsend it really, because I was in that phase of you know, checking, stalking, seeing what he was up to and that just that wasn't good for me. So him going private like saved my soul.

Yaz:

So you unfollowed and then he went private yeah because I think that's part of the breakup.

Hope:

No, you don't follow your exes off with a breakup. No, no, no, I know, know I know I've liked someone because I'll have to unfollow them if I'm cool with you being on my social media after like a breakdown, like I weren't that into you.

Yaz:

Yeah, I agree, I'm I'm so like that if I have like a breakup, I will delete every single number, every single conversation. Oh, do you? Yeah, but my friends, like some of my one of my good friends she never deletes anything. So she has all the conversations from like her first ever boyfriend and it's actually kind of fun to look at now like she doesn't care.

Hope:

Actually, I probably don't have any of that, because I just need to free up some storage on my phone but, I've got a little memory box like you know an xbox, an xbox the female version of an. Xbox. What's in your Xbox? Well, actually it probably hasn't been updated for ages because now everything's on our phones, so I've got some photos, like you know little things, when you go to like the theatre or out on a date and things like that.

Yaz:

What would you do if your new boyfriend say you've got a new boyfriend and likeetically, hypothetically, they found that box and were like, why do you have all these pictures of these other boys in under your?

Hope:

bed. I don't think anyone should have an issue with that. I've even got like roses in that box because like I remember petals. Yeah, rose petals from some guys.

ilmz:

So it's like poo-pourri. Yeah, because I thought in my head at the time.

Hope:

I kept them and dried them out because I was like, oh, if we get married, the flower girl can do it. I should probably get rid of them actually.

ilmz:

But you know it's part of your past.

Hope:

People have to accept your past. I'm not sitting looking through the box all the time and sleeping with photos under my pillow. It's just like it's a memory box and it doesn't just have. It's not just a memory box exclusive for men.

Yaz:

It's got other little. Okay, I thought I was thinking it was just purely for that one x or like a few and I named them all. No, no, would you be annoyed if you found it at a boy's house, like all these things, oh something just popped into my mind.

Hope:

So you know I have my so what community and I get a lot of people reach out to me. This one girl she was like I need your help. I have I'm dating this guy and on his laptop I've come across a folder and then within the folder there's all different folders named with all his exes nudes in.

Yaz:

I've heard that before.

Hope:

I've heard that was it from my page?

ilmz:

no, no, no, no, I've actually just heard it from someone it's for me like obviously there's, you know people have such a violation and I kind of feel like that could be a crime well, listen, I've definitely got nudes from people that they've sent me on my phone.

Hope:

I don't sit and like it's the organization of it that freaks me out. Yeah, and the naming and putting them into little folders and like categorizing it, that's what gives me the heebie-jeebies yeah, like today I'm gonna look up vanessa like no, no, that's the creepy bit.

Yaz:

If they were like on the photo app and not you know, on like your iphone or whatever, and you just forgot to on the photo app, not, you know, on like your iPhone or whatever.

ilmz:

And you just forgot to delete it.

Hope:

Yeah, you know. Oh, do you know what? I've probably got to delete some stuff. But you know, you send nudes and you have to be aware of the fact that they may stay with that person.

ilmz:

That's why I'm a big fan of no face, no case. Yeah, that's why.

Hope:

I'm a big fan of no face, no case. Yeah, that's number one. Never my face.

Yaz:

I've actually never sent a nude, purely for this reason.

ilmz:

You just can't trust where these will go.

Hope:

I miss having someone to send nudes to my ex.

ilmz:

He would take pictures of me without me knowing.

Hope:

No, that's a crime.

Yaz:

That's so bad. That's so bad.

ilmz:

He was my first boyfriend.

Hope:

So you don't know, yeah, and. I didn't know how to like bring it up, you mean like naturally and you're chilling and he takes a photo. Or Because I've had a situation and I was in a shower and a guy I caught a guy taking a photograph of me.

ilmz:

No, like I'd just be like putting clothes in my like drawer and like and like I look so unaware was he trying to do up candid, like when you were nude or something or like completely like getting clothes out of my drawer I would break up with somebody on that offense.

Yaz:

I'm a bit divided.

ilmz:

This was my first boyfriend, so I was really naive and I was such a like pick me girl I needed to be picked.

Hope:

I don't. Like I just said, I'm a little bit divided on this one. Yes, you, you know people. You should have permission to take photographs. But if he was your boyfriend, he might have seen it as like a nice candid photo.

ilmz:

I don't need to know, I'm sorry. You need to know context and mood. No consent. Consent is a big thing, for that Okay.

Hope:

Okay, you'll let us have it.

Yaz:

Thank you you don't agree with it. I'm just going to agree with it right now.

Hope:

I understand consent and we bring all those elements into it. But, however, I've been in relationships and you know I've been naked and a guy's just wanted to take a nice candid photo of me.

Yaz:

Like it's not being creepy, but I think that's maybe different. If you're like on the bed or something, you're putting your washing into your into your covers, like my laundry, into my wardrobe Bent over like no. So with your breakups, have you ever had one that's like really stuck with you and you didn't know why?

Hope:

Yeah, I had one that took me about eight years to break up.

Yaz:

Wait, had one that took me about eight years to break up.

Hope:

We just took you eight years to break up or to get over both, I don't know.

Yaz:

The timing's so confusing were you on and off?

Hope:

again, off, on and off. This happened, that happened can't stay away. This. I just never thought I'd get over him, but I did. Why did you think?

Yaz:

you were like on and off. Why didn't you just like have one? Were you scared?

Hope:

no, because there was external factors to our breakup. It wasn't that there was a breakdown in love or a breakdown of care for each other. So I think that was hard. Do you think that was healthy or?

Yaz:

just no, absolutely not.

Hope:

No, there's nothing healthy about that. Not at all. It's really hard and damaging it's such a heroin hit, if that makes sense, like the high, yes, of a toxic relationship, but then equally the lows and then you're so used to like being high and low, like you said, that when you meet someone and they give you stability, it seems flat and boring.

ilmz:

Yeah, and that's bad yeah, because with these relationships, the highest of highs are compensated by the lowest lows.

Yaz:

It's an addiction yeah, it is I've had it once really badly low, like a situation ship, and they just like weren't that interested in me. Basically, to put it blunt, but like I just remember like sat here, like being so upset, and my mom was like looking at me, like are you okay? I'm like, no, I'm just dead. Like you know, when you just like, feel like, or you, or you want to die, yeah, because it hurts so much.

Hope:

But you know what? I think there's something beautiful in that you're so upset and you're hurt and you cry it. Just you know. It just shows you that you was in someone and and you have that love in you there's beauty and passion, yeah, and we need to celebrate passion everyone's too busy, being nonchalant, exactly, and pretending they don't care.

Hope:

I would say one thing that's been really important for me. I don't know where I came across this or if someone gave me this piece of advice, but just recognizing and understanding that grief comes with relationships like there's this kind of idea that grief is, you know, exclusive to death, like the relationship died. So you have to go through that grieving process and that comes in waves and highs and lows.

ilmz:

Yeah, you're mourning you are mourning and we said previously, like you're mourning someone that's alive.

Hope:

Yeah, that is so much more complex, it is because you can accept that someone's dead right, there's a clear answer.

ilmz:

But when someone's alive, ah, like the fact that you can reach out to them if you want to but you know it's not a good idea as opposed to when they're dead, there's nothing, yeah, yeah. And also when you think that you can reach out to them, like're dead there's nothing, yeah, yeah.

Yaz:

And also when you think that you can reach out to them like it's so tempting too as well, and you like want to do it, because you think maybe they'll be thinking the same thing or maybe they really miss me too, and then if you get pied again, or it's even worse.

Hope:

You're like oh god, it's so hard, it is hard. Relationships are not easy.

ilmz:

They are not easy, complicated and I feel like no two relationships are the same.

Yaz:

So sometimes like can talk to people about it, but no one would really know the thing is you can discuss it with your friends, like, and maybe they should just listen, but no one else is actually in it and no one can make the decision for you, even though it sucks, because I'd love for people to make the decision for me.

Hope:

I'm such a like pushover, yeah and you always get you know, you always get that friend that really hates them and is quite like stern and like no, you shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that. And then sometimes you have another friend and it's a bit confusing but you just have to kind of do you. I think deep down we all know what's right and what's wrong and trust your gut. Intuition is everything.

Yaz:

Yeah, what would you say to somebody that didn't know? Like that was confused. Oh, because you know what if they don't know?

Hope:

I think then you've just got to try that, try it all out and see for yourself. You know, because you can tell a friend a million times like don't reach out to someone, no, I don't think you should message them, don't do this, don't do that, and then if that person is still thinking about it all the time and doesn't give it a go, then they'll never know. So just do what you've got to do and see what happens if you're confused.

ilmz:

Act out on your intuition.

Hope:

I think that's what I say yeah, yeah, yeah and if someone's like messing up with, like messing up your nervous system, like making you feel anxious and on edge, then they're not right for you.

ilmz:

With one of my exes, I would get the most horrible cases of UTI.

Hope:

Oh really, and I honestly thought that what From sex you mean.

ilmz:

Yeah, okay. So I thought it was like a me problem, and then I also thought that I had vaginismus you never told me this. What is vaginismus? It's when, like, you're just so tense that it sex doesn't work.

Hope:

You can't have sex. She's literally not opening up. Yeah, that is crazy, yeah.

ilmz:

And then, like, after that ended and I started, like you know, dating again, I'm like wait. I've been normal all this time. It's a him problem. Well for sure him problem, it's the chemistry between you.

Hope:

It just wasn't there. Yeah, you know wild, you shocked me with that yeah, it's crazy it makes sense, though a man can literally make your vagina sharp yeah, like glued, yeah nothing.

Yaz:

I want to ask you about closure and what you think about closure like. Do you think it's a good thing? Do you think people need?

Hope:

it. Yeah, I believe closure is good and it is nice to like wrap up situations, but I think sometimes we have to accept that closure comes from within. Yeah, because sometimes people just aren't willing to give you it.

ilmz:

I think, personally, for me, closure is if he doesn't like you, that should be enough. I don't, so you've got the closure. Yeah, like him, not wanting me anymore is enough closure for me, because there's no way in hell I'm gonna chase someone who doesn't want me. I'll chase someone if they want me, of course.

Hope:

Yeah, you know, I'm such a lover girl like that. But there's a massive rise in in ghosting and stuff and you know I think ghosting and having closure kind of go hand in hand, because when someone just disappears and you don't have the answers and you have to figure them out for yourself, it is really hard. But yeah, let's see closure like an expensive handbag that we all want but sometimes you just can't get it. If you're a gentleman or if you're a nice lady, you give that person, communicate.

ilmz:

Yeah, it's always communication that's what our all board.

Hope:

I say it time and time again, but everything comes down to communication and that's like one of my biggest red flags actually in day in is a change in communication. Now I have been in situations and relationships where you know, sometimes you whatsapp the person all day and then I've been in other relationships where that person might just call me once. But that's our communication style. It's when there's a change in it, so it's like I don't need someone to message me all day. I can quite happily take the one phone call a day. But if that wasn't their original style?

ilmz:

and then there's a change it's really hard because with one of my boyfriends we would call each other every night, recap our day and then suddenly he just would stop calling and that's when I'd realize, oh fuck yeah, that's the change.

Yaz:

That's what the change is. It's the change in communication.

Hope:

Yeah, and that's always like a signal and a red flag to me the calls suddenly stop.

Yaz:

This is so insightful. I'm like learning, yeah and what does that mean that it's they're?

Hope:

it means it's like it's a slow fade breakup, basically yeah, something's changed or something's happened, or they're not interested, it's just them showing that they've pulled back that does make sense there's no good morning texts anymore.

ilmz:

There's no, how was your day? Or you know, that kind of thing. It just all goes back. And then you ask them hey, when am I, when am I going to see you next?

Hope:

they come back with don't know, oh I actually I'm really not a fan of this whole whatsapp or that constant messaging. I've realized anytime I've had that it's just game over. If that happens from the start, it's kind of game over. I get attached too easily yeah, because how realistically, let's think long term. How are you going to talk to someone all day?

Hope:

yeah, like it's just not. It's not realistic. I'm more that kind of just pick up the phone to me like twice a day and let's have a little recap. I like it that's nice, yeah.

Yaz:

Yeah, I was just laughing because I was thinking we have that relationship like we talk all the time because I messaged you all the time, yeah, but that's, that's girl talk yeah, that's different.

Hope:

Yeah, that's different yeah, you know, even with friendships, when you're feeling exhausted by them, you're not responding in the same way, and that's a breakdown of a friendship. So it's probably happened with other friends friendship breakups right what's?

Yaz:

worse friendship breakups, I think friendship breakups.

ilmz:

because friends, best friends, you fantasize your life with them. You fantasize them being your bridesmaid, them being like your kid's godmothers, like that is a forever commitment. And when that friend goes, what if it's like a friend that you went into a business with?

Yaz:

Yeah.

ilmz:

If we had a breakup. Have you had a business friendship breakup?

Hope:

Yeah, oh no, I've probably had every breakup. You can imagine what's your worst one the business breakup very difficult. A romantic breakup very difficult.

Yaz:

They're all bad.

Hope:

Friend, like family, like everything.

ilmz:

Actually, there's one thing that we don't really hear often. How do you bounce back from a friendship or a business breakup?

Hope:

You just got to keep going, like me. Here I I am. Do you have any revenge plans? No, no, I don't have a revenge plan, especially in business. Or if you've got an idea. Or let's say, for instance, you two with this podcast, like if it's something you believe in and you want to do, but one of the other one steps away, you keep going because that is what you believed in. Just because someone's walked away, it doesn't take away your beliefs or what you want to achieve.

ilmz:

Chin up crown up yeah, just keep going, that's really inspiring because it's so easy for you to just lose motivation.

Hope:

Oh it is it's difficult to lose, like to keep going, and yeah, you often do lose motivation and you have tough days especially because, like even being a content creator, you need a partner to do it with.

ilmz:

I had a fallout with that partner. My Instagram died because of that friendship. I can't lie yeah you think that, oh, I won't find anyone as good as her. Who will?

Hope:

take my content as good as her. It is difficult when you've built something with someone and you have your way of working. So even letting someone else in just like a relationship, letting someone new in, it's going to be different and I guess with like my business and and my stuff and having that breakup, let's call it um. Yeah, I guess I've been riding solo and going celibate with that because I haven't met a new business partner or welcomed anyone else in that way are you in the stage of looking for someone to expand?

ilmz:

so what community with? No, not in a duo way, no more like your CEO and their CFO no, like that, it's the communities.

Hope:

It's like a team of people building. I guess I'm just, I'm not the CEO or I'm not the whatever, I'm just the, the person that guides the others. Let's say, no, they guide me, it's the whole community. But yeah, someone else to help me with the social media and all that stuff.

Yaz:

That would be very nice and handy can you tell us about so what community a bit more and like yeah, it is and everything.

Hope:

So what Community is a female led community? It's a, you know. It's a safe space for women to discuss all their breakups, their relationships, their dilemmas, their dramas, like anything. I've had the craziest messages about everything and it's a really beautiful place for sharing information and a lot of people want to help each other.

ilmz:

I wish I had this page when I was going through a divorce, because there's a lot of stuff that your communities posted about financial abuse in a relationship and I'm like a pretty bad victim of that.

Hope:

I go into difficult conversations but I try to present these topics in a way that isn't so big and scary and it's a nice space for people to feel heard and understood, and my one thing with my community is like no one is ever alone. No matter how, what you're going through or like anything you've experienced, there's always someone out there that's had something a little bit similar and it's bonkers. It could be the most craziest thing, although there is something going on on my page at the minute that I don't think anyone else has ever done. What is?

Hope:

our experience, but it's this girl getting revenge. She's getting revenge to her HR manager at work, so she's left that workplace. I think they fired her, so she's actually now taking them to a tribunal. But she's found her HR manager's son on a dating app and started dating him yeah, that is messy, that is revenge level 1000 and the poor, you know, I think, the poor boy. I told her straight away. I said it's really not fair on him. You're using him to get at his mother.

ilmz:

That is wild playing with fire on another level, when that's like a movie, truly so.

Hope:

Even people like that feel comfortable enough to come to my page wait.

Yaz:

So I'm confused with the page they. Is it like a? What I'm envisioning? This might be completely wrong. Is it like reddit for hot girls? Yeah, is it like Reddit? So then they can all see what other people write? No, so.

Hope:

I keep a lot of things anonymized, so I kind of people give me all their information and I sort of filter out what goes out. So I run a lot of stuff on the stories and we have like I'll do the question box and then people respond and then you know, know, even things I don't agree with, I share, because that is still someone's opinion and not everything I say is right or the way that things should happen. But yeah, it's a, it's very interesting. I get a lot of data on women. I have a stat for everything, everything like a folder like the.

Yaz:

Yeah, I do, I have.

Hope:

I have a big excel spreadsheet full of like every question that I've asked, how many people responded and the percentage rate, so you could literally I know how many of my followers had sex last week. I know how many of my followers have been on the pill. I know how many of my followers don't shit regularly. Like literally, I have a stat for everything. Do you have any that had a breakup? Yeah, I would listen. We talk about dating and relationships a lot.

Yaz:

That's how I became a dating and relationships expert from talking about it constantly for like the last however many years this is a really random question, so don't worry if you don't have an answer, but like, is there a season that people break up more commonly?

Hope:

in, but I might be wrong. I do believe that it's around um the holiday period, like the fest, like Christmas time, ah.

Yaz:

I might be wrong. I think I've heard that before.

Hope:

In general, when I've like, yeah, don't quote me on that, but that kind of it makes sense though, like going home to the family and you're like not sure on your maybe current boyfriend. Yeah, I guess sometimes it is. Anytime there's something special or important, you start to evaluate like, oh, is this person for me, or also it's just to get out of getting them a present? But I would think I would want someone more in the winter and I'd want to be single in the summer yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Yaz:

Maybe it was like now too. Do you have any tips for somebody going through a breakup Like right now? Your like go-to tips?

Hope:

Yeah, just let it out, Be you. Don't compare yourself to your friend who you know, got over the relationship quickly. And, like I said earlier, you have to grieve. If you've ever lost someone, we know that it comes in waves, the emotions just go with it. But just be kind to yourself. No, it's really hard and it hurts, but it happens and we've got to get on. So give yourself time, but not too much time, you know.

Yaz:

Don't be waiting two years, thank you so much sorry for messing up the middle. No, no, you were perfect.

Hope:

Where did this handbag thing come from? I don't even know.

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Ilma Shahrene

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Yasmin Misner

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Hope Flynn

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